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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 19:52:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Keith Byers <byerskr@yahoo.com>
Subject: [INWO] Seth's WDH 1.1 link
Does anyone know what group that is just to the right
of the Bavarian Illuminati on this link that Seth sent
in a response to me?
http://www.sjgames.com/inwo/rules/b/Basic_Rules.html#Basic_Rules
Keith
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 100 15:22:56 +1000 (EET)
From: barnett@agsm.unsw.edu.au
Subject: Re: [INWO] Seth's WDH 1.1 link
> Does anyone know what group that is just to the right
> of the Bavarian Illuminati on this link that Seth sent
> in a response to me?
>
> http://www.sjgames.com/inwo/rules/b/Basic_Rules.html#Basic_Rules
Looks like you're missing a card. That's Insurers from the Food and Slack expansion. (Power 2, Resistance 1, In: T Out: LB. The artwork is a play on the Corporate Masters art, but from a slightly different angle - note the guy is sitting way over compared to CM - and the hands are different: there's a contract in his hand, with "Act Of God" in big letters.)
Glen
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 23:35:36 -0500
From: Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: [INWO] Seth's WDH 1.1 link
>> Does anyone know what group that is just to the right
>> of the Bavarian Illuminati on this link that Seth sent
>> in a response to me?
>>
>> http://www.sjgames.com/inwo/rules/b/Basic_Rules.html#Basic_Rules
>
>Looks like you're missing a card. That's Insurers
>from the Food and Slack expansion.
Umm, the _what_ expansion?
- -Robin
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 100 15:37:00 +1000 (EET)
From: barnett@agsm.unsw.edu.au
Subject: Re: [INWO] Seth's WDH 1.1 link
>>> Does anyone know what group that is just to the right
>>> of the Bavarian Illuminati on this link that Seth sent
>>> in a response to me?
>>>
>>> http://www.sjgames.com/inwo/rules/b/Basic_Rules.html#Basic_Rules
>>
>>Looks like you're missing a card. That's Insurers
>>from the Food and Slack expansion.
>
>Umm, the _what_ expansion?
Food and Slack. They only sold it at cons because the print run was small. It sold out pretty quick, I guess. This was about a year after Assassins.
Glen
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 21:18:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Keith Byers <byerskr@yahoo.com>
Subject: [INWO] Re: Food and Slack
- --- barnett@agsm.unsw.edu.au wrote:
> Food and Slack. They only sold it at cons because
> the print run was small. It sold out pretty quick, I
> guess. This was about a year after Assassins.
Are you serious? If so, what other expansions were
made other than the normal print runs?
Keith
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 10:26:44 -0500
From: Darrin Bright <darrin@neobright.net>
Subject: Re: [INWO] Re: Food and Slack
Keith Byers wrote:
> > Food and Slack. They only sold it at cons because
> > the print run was small. It sold out pretty quick, I
> > guess. This was about a year after Assassins.
> Are you serious? If so, what other expansions were
> made other than the normal print runs?
I've seen but never gotten ahold of some of the Albanian cards. The
same company that was working on the Polish version licensed an Albanian
version, but slow sales caused them to abandon the project before they
printed any . . . you know, that whole Ponzi/Civil War thingy down there kind
of upset things. There's some black-and-white "ashcan" cards that were
printed up as previews, but I don't think they ever printed a whole set.
I've seen a few floating around the Cons, and I think Alex Yeager might
have snagged some. Not particularly interesting, unless your INWO group
speeks
Albanian.
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 10:30:11 -0500
From: "Marc Sherman" <msherman@projectile.dyndns.org>
Subject: Re: [INWO] Re: Food and Slack
From: "Darrin Bright" <darrin@neobright.net>
> Not particularly interesting, unless your INWO
> group speeks Albanian.
Which apparently Darrin's does.
- - Marc
PS: I have an ultra-rare White House Intern (from F&S) available for trade, if anyone's got anything interesting to trade for it -- I'm particularly interested in your Albanian proofs, Alex!
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:45:25 -0600
From: "Scott McNair" <smcnair@gulftel.com>
Subject: RE: [INWO] Re: Food and Slack
Marc Sherman writes,
> PS: I have an ultra-rare White House Intern (from F&S)
> available for trade, if anyone's got anything interesting
> to trade for it -- I'm particularly interested in your
> Albanian proofs, Alex!
That's the thing I didn't like about F&S - the rarity levels were way off. Believe it or not I've got six copies of Insurance Underwriters, and I never DID get a WHI! By the way, I managed to get a peek at Seth's copy; I can't believe they actually got away with that illustration.
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:00:28 -0500
From: "Marc Sherman" <msherman@projectile.dyndns.org>
Subject: Re: [INWO] Re: Food and Slack
From: "Scott McNair" <smcnair@gulftel.com>
> That's the thing I didn't like about F&S - the rarity levels
were way off.
> Believe it or not I've got six copies of Insurance Underwriters,
and I never
> DID get a WHI! By the way, I managed to get a peek at Seth's
copy; I can't
> believe they actually got away with that illustration.
You know, a bunch of people have said the same thing to me about the WHI illustration, but I can't really tell -- my copy's a bit marked. I guess it's faded from the packaging process, or something.
- - Marc
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 08:21:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Kevin Kennedy <kevingoes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [INWO] Seth's WDH 1.1 link
- --- barnett@agsm.unsw.edu.au wrote:
> Looks like you're missing a card. That's Insurers
> from the Food and Slack expansion. (Power 2,
Bad Glenn! If you're going to make up an imaginary card to torment
us with at least pay attention to the details. That card quite obviously
says place in the upper left corner.
Kevin
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:50:34 -0500
From: Seth Cohen <sethcohen@erols.com>
Subject: Re: [INWO] Re: Food and Slack
Scott McNair wrote:
> > PS: I have an ultra-rare White House Intern (from F&S)
> > available for trade, if anyone's got anything interesting
> > to trade for it -- I'm particularly interested in your
> > Albanian proofs, Alex!
>
> That's the thing I didn't like about F&S - the rarity levels
were way off.
> Believe it or not I've got six copies of Insurance Underwriters,
and I never
> DID get a WHI! By the way, I managed to get a peek at Seth's
copy; I can't
> believe they actually got away with that illustration.
I can't believe the artist they hired! Boy, does she suck.
Er, I mean the art blows. Er. no, wait . . .
Seth
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 18:33:25 CET
From: "Björn Lagerström" <rick_s_chris@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [INWO] Seth's WDH 1.1 link
Food and Slack expansion?
Now, have I missed something?
/Bjorne
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 22:17:05 +0100
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Birger_Kr=E4mer?=" <birger.kraemer@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [INWO] Re: Food and Slack
>> Food and Slack. They only sold it at cons because
>> the print run was small. It sold out pretty quick, I
>> guess. This was about a year after Assassins.
Hey, is this true? I know there is a Polish edition, but it has no new cards, only those of the factory set. So, if anyone of you guys knows or OWNS Food and Slack cards, please contact me. I've recently given away 10 of my German uniques, but for Food and Slack cards in exchange, I'd be willing to give away more. I'd also be very interested in receiving copied or scanned versions, a list of those cards and what they do! Boy, I thought I have all the cards! Never heard of it before.
PS: I have 3 cards I created for German tourneys ( Die Fabrik, India
and Enlightenment) , some copies of them made it to Leeds, and I would
also send them elsewhere if you are really interested. (Enlightenment is
in English, the others in German, but I have adequate translations) And
those cards are well balanced!
Peace, Birger
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 100 22:43:20 +1000 (EET)
From: barnett@agsm.unsw.edu.au
Subject: Re: [INWO] Seth's WDH 1.1 link
> http://www.sjgames.com/inwo/rules/b/Basic_Rules.html#Basic_Rules
> > Looks like you're missing a card. That's Insurers
> > from the Food and Slack expansion. (Power 2,
>
> Bad Glenn! If you're going to make up an imaginary
> card to torment us with at least pay attention to the
> details. That card quite obviously says place in the
> upper left corner.
> Kevin
Silly Kevinn!
It appears to say *something*. You assumed it says "Place". You mustn't have any Food&Slack cards.
Glen
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:03:34 -0500
From: Will Trommelen <ravnos@p3.net>
Subject: [INWO] questions.
What set is Seize the Time in? I am trying to build one of the decks of the week and i can't seem to locate that card.
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:59:30 -0500
From: "Marc Sherman" <msherman@projectile.dyndns.org>
Subject: Re: [INWO] questions.
From: "Will Trommelen" <ravnos@p3.net>
> What set is Seize the Time in? I am trying to build one of the decks
of the week
> and i can't seem to locate that card.
Which one are you talking about; NWO: Seizure Time (Food&Slack) or Seize the Time (Limited/Unlimited)?
- - Marc
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:50:58 -0500
From: Will Trommelen <ravnos@p3.net>
Subject: Re: [INWO] questions.
ok, found it . . . only had one . . . Any ideas on self-esteem? what does it look like?
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:44:35 -0500
From: Will Trommelen <ravnos@p3.net>
Subject: Re: [INWO] questions.
Hmmm one more....
What pray tell is MWNMTK ?
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 18:55:30 -0500
From: "Marc Sherman" <msherman@projectile.dyndns.org>
Subject: Re: [INWO] questions.
From: "Will Trommelen" <ravnos@p3.net>
> Hmmm one more....
> What pray tell is MWNMTK ?
That's also from Food & Slack:
NWO Blue: Many Will Not Make The Kut
Graphic: A corporate CEO (I think it looks kinda like Trump, but others
have disagreed with me) cutting a list of employees in half with a pair
of scissors. The bottom half is about to drop into a toilet bowl.
Quote: Only the strong will survive!
Text: All Personalities with power less than 2 lose all alignments,
and their power is reduced to 0.
I never understood how they let such a blatant spelling mistake get through the playtest on that card. Glen must not have been part of the playtest group for F&S.
- - Marc
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 06:36:28 -0800 (PST)
From: "Steven G." <steveg99@excite.com>
Subject: [INWO] Food & Slack
Like a lot of folks on this list, I was surprised to hear that there was an entire expasnsion set of cards that I've never heard of. Nothing about it on SJ Games' site. It hasn't been erraticized, there's no discussion of it in the FAQ or tournament rules or anywhere. It's not covered in the unofficial homebrew lists either. If I'm wrong about any of that, by all means let me know.
So, could someone give us the highlights? For instance, roughly how many cards were in the expansion? Any new Illuminati? Any particularly powerful cards that I would hate to get blindsided by at an INWO tournament?
Steven G.
sdg@avana.net
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:19:40 -0500
From: Darrin Bright <darrin@neobright.net>
Subject: Re: [INWO] questions.
Will Trommelen wrote:
> Hmmm one more . . .
> What pray tell is MWNMTK ?
Mongooses Who Need Milk To Kill?
Martian Women Nude Media Talkshow Kittens?
I could go on . . . nah.
MWNMTK is a somewhat truncated version of SMWNMTK.
At this point it would be really cruel to leave you hanging there, or
make obscure references to the Food and Slack expansion, but I'm feeling
unobtuse.
http://www.illuminated.co.uk/inwo/SJGames/Unlimited/show.cgi?card=secretsmanwasnotmeanttoknow&frame=card
Try that.
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:27:37 -0500
From: "Marc Sherman" <msherman@projectile.dyndns.org>
Subject: Re: [INWO] Food & Slack
From: "Steven G." <steveg99@excite.com>
> Like a lot of folks on this list, I was surprised to hear that
there was an
> entire expasnsion set of cards that I've never heard of. Nothing
about it on
> SJ Games' site. It hasn't been erraticized, there's no discussion
of it in
> the FAQ or tournament rules or anywhere. It's not covered in the
unofficial
> homebrew lists either. If I'm wrong about any of that, by all
means let me
> know.
>
> So, could someone give us the highlights? For instance, roughly
how many
> cards were in the expansion? Any new Illuminati? Any particularly
powerful
> cards that I would hate to get blindsided by at an INWO tournament?
It was a great set. Full spoilers haven't been posted yet, though, and it wouldn't really be fair of me to post them already -- that would ruin things for the collectors. Once most of the folks around here have a decent selection of cards, I'm sure the full spoilers will be posted (I don't even have the full set myself, yet, so I couldn't post complete spoilers even if I wanted to!)
As was previously mentioned, F&S never saw wide distribution, so it's hard to come by. I've heard rumours that there were a bunch of SubG pops that were mispacked, and actually contained complete sets of F&S instead of SubG . . . if those rumours are true, your best bet at getting F&S cards is to buy a bunch of SubG. Since (according to those rumours) the packing mistake was done to entire pops, you'd do better to buy individual packs of SubG from many different pops, in fact, at different stores or even in different cities, since if one store doesn't have a mispacked pop, none of their other pops are likely to have been mispacked either. Don't bother buying an entire pop from a single store hoping to get one F&S pack among the SubG packs -- they'll either all be F&S, or none will.
- - Marc
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 15:42:30 -0000
From: Simon Adie <simon@squaresum.com>
Subject: RE: [INWO] Food & Slack
As a player over in England I may have missed stuff from Cons over in
the US, however:
With my first action I will power a Hoax on Food and Slack
And with my second action (and Media Connections) I will power an Exposed on Marc Sherman.
He played an 'I Lied' card but forgot that
the SubGenius Expansion was a boxed set release and not a booster pack
release, so there weren't any POPs.
Simon
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:26:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Keith Byers <byerskr@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [INWO] Food & Slack
I think they are pulling our legs on the Food and Slack thing.
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:54:17 -0500
From: "Marc Sherman" <msherman@projectile.dyndns.org>
Subject: Re: [INWO] Food & Slack
From: "Keith Byers" <byerskr@yahoo.com>
> I think they are pulling our legs on the Food and
> Slack thing.
No, "I Think They're Pulling Our Legs" is in BFD, not Food & Slack.
- - Marc
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 14:17:06 -0500
From: Darrin Bright <darrin@neobright.net>
Subject: Re: [INWO] Food & Slack
Keith Byers wrote:
> I think they are pulling our legs on the Food and
> Slack thing.
You're just very lucky you didn't ask what EitP means.
(No one seems to have fallen for that whole Albanian edition thing. Sigh.)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:29:41 -0800 (PST)
From: "Steven G." <steveg99@excite.com>
Subject: Re: [INWO] Food & Slack
> I think they are pulling our legs on the Food and
> Slack thing.
"Spoiler lists wouldn't be fair to collerctors." Hmmm. Oh yeah. Can't argue with that logic . . .
Well, even though Marc chose not elaborate on any of the cards, I at least be consoled by knowing that they were "great!" And here I was afraid that he would be vague. Excuse me, I have to go out now and start buying Subgenius booster packs by the bushel (but from different dealers, of course).
Steven G.
sdg@avana.net
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 100 07:54:58 +1000 (EET)
From: barnett@agsm.unsw.edu.au
Subject: Re: [INWO] Food & Slack (fwd of nonmember bounce)
Forwarded message:
> To: inwo-list@lists.io.com
> From: Dan Berggren <dan.berggren@voxnadalen.ovanaker.se>
> Subject: Re: [INWO] Food & Slack
>
> What is thew name of the expansion your talking of???
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:29:10 -0800 (PST)
From: "Steven G." <steveg99@excite.com>
Subject: Re: [INWO] Food & Slack (fwd of nonmember bounce)
> > What is thew name of the expansion your talking of???
Don't ask me. I just got here. I read in the digest a few posts mentioning
an expansion set that came out after Assassins (or was it SubGenius?) and
I inquired about it.
Maybe I'm just a born skeptic, but I'm dubious about the whole thing.
Steven G.
sdg@avana.net
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 100 08:04:03 +1000 (EET)
From: barnett@agsm.unsw.edu.au
Subject: Re: [INWO] Food & Slack (fwd of nonmember bounce)
Now I'll reply to Dan:
> Forwarded message:
> > To: inwo-list@lists.io.com
> > From: Dan Berggren <dan.berggren@voxnadalen.ovanaker.se>
> > Subject: Re: [INWO] Food & Slack
> >
> > What is thew name of the expansion your talking of???
Gee, you must have missed the start of the thread. Just take a look at the subject line - that's what we're talking about.
Glen
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 16:57:52 -0500
From: "Marc Sherman" <msherman@projectile.dyndns.org>
Subject: Re: [INWO] Deck generator on the web
I've got an experimental generator for Food & Slack boosters written as well, posted on my web site at http://projectile.ca/inwo/deckgen/foodslack, but I'm missing 3 of the ultra-rares from my card list.
Does anyone have a complete set of URs to help me complete my list?
I'll integrate it into the main page when it's complete.
- - Marc
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 20:39:34 -0500
From: "Marc Sherman" <msherman@projectile.dyndns.org>
Subject: Re: [INWO] BFD Prayer (goals)
From: "Steven G." <steveg99@excite.com>
> I guess me and my fellow players just share a different perspective on
> Personalities. Most of them simply suck. Weak Power, few control arrows, few
> of them do anything any for goals, and their special abilities usually don't
> really contribute anything useful. Yes, yes, I know; there are lots of Plots
> and some resources and even groups like the Dittoheads that do neat things
> for Personalities, but to paraphrase one of my friends, all those cards are
> just an ill-advised attempt to put chrome-plating on a turd.
So you don't like any of the cards in SubG, and you don't like any of the personalities . . . what cards do you like? You probably don't like any of the groups in Food&Slack either, do you?
- - Marc
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:01:39 -0800 (PST)
From: "Steven G." <steveg99@excite.com>
Subject: Re: [INWO] BFD Prayer (goals)
Marc wrote:
> So you don't like any of the cards in SubG, and you don't
> like any of the personalities . . .
I see someone's been taking notes. Good.
> what cards do you like?
> You probably don't like any of the groups in Food&Slack
> either, do you?
Are you kidding? I thought that the Internet Service Providers kicked major ass, in that it gave the Network & the Gnomes a group to fight over. Also, I thought Rasputin was a pretty good, since we need more Magic Personalities, in addition to generally useful Personalities.
On the other hand, I was quite disappointed to see that once again the designers opted not to put in any more Media Personalities. Why did they bother creating Hollywood and the Recording Industry if they don't want to give us any film celebrities or recording artists? Their decision to only cover political figures doesn't make much sense. I mean, MAD Magazine lampoons media personalities on a monthly basis, and it's not like their owners have deep pockets.
Oh well. Here's hoping that the guys at SJG got some cajones when they designed BFD. :)
Steven G.
sdg@avana.net
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:46:23 -0500 (EST)
From: Dan Tweyman <ca326@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: [INWO] BFD Prayer (goals)
On Wed, 8 Mar 2000, Steven G. wrote:
> Are you kidding? I thought that the Internet Service Providers
kicked major
> ass, in that it gave the Network & the Gnomes a group to fight
over. Also, I
> thought Rasputin was a pretty good, since we need more Magic Personalities,
> in addition to generally useful Personalities.
There's a Rasputin Card??? I MUST get the food&Slack expansion . . . MUST GET!!!
> On the other hand, I was quite disappointed to see that once againthe
> designers opted not to put in any more Media Personalities. Why did they
> bother creating Hollywood and the Recording Industry if they don't want to
> give us any film celebrities or recording artists? Their decision to only
Two words: Media Sensations. Lots and Lots of Media sensations . . .
dan.
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 00:00:06 -0500
From: "Marc Sherman" <msherman@projectile.dyndns.org>
Subject: Re: [INWO] BFD Prayer (goals)
From: "Dan Tweyman" <ca326@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
> There's a Rasputin Card??? I MUST get the food&Slack
expansion . . . MUST GET!!!
I got a few spare boosters I can give you, Dan . . .
Remind me next time we play.
- - Marc
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 100 16:29:26 +1000 (EET)
From: barnett@agsm.unsw.edu.au
Subject: Re: [INWO] BFD Prayer (goals)
> There's a Rasputin Card??? I MUST get the food&Slack expansion . . . MUST GET!!!
Yeah Rasputin is okay.
One of my favourites is Richard Garfield's Diary.
SJG has barely mentioned F&S anywhere, but RGD does show up in the Rules FAQ at least.
Glen
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 08:47:08 CET
From: "Andreas Vaxel" <vaxel@hotmail.com>
Subject: [INWO] Food and slack. Where to find it!?
Hello
Is there any possibility to buy this expansion?
I also would very much like a Rasputin, whatever it does!
Would also be very intrested in buying some german cards.
Regards
Subject: Re: [INWO] Food and slack. Where to find it!?
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 09:02:06 -0500
From: "Marc Sherman" <msherman@projectile.dyndns.org>
Reply-To: inwo-list@lists.io.com
To: <inwo-list@lists.io.com>
From: "Andreas Vaxel" <vaxel@hotmail.com>
> Hello
> Is there any possibility to buy this expansion?
> I also would very much like a Rasputin, whatever it does!
> Would also be very intrested in buying some german cards.
German cards? Heh. You've been had, Andreas. There never was a German edition -- that was a long running joke on the INWO and INWO-Cards lists a few years ago, that caught up a bunch of newbies clamoring to buy the cards and getting really angry at folks for making stuff up. It really amazes me at how long that joke has lasted. I'm sure a lot of it is due to SJ having a good sense of humour and linking the INWO Spricht Deutsche april fools page up on the web site with the "official" card lists.
Have you actually run "Zuvieldienstleistende" through babel fish? It's pretty funny that we've gotten so many people to write that in their emails unsuspectingly. :)
- Marc
Subject: Re: [INWO] Food and slack. Where to find it!?
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 15:53:39 CET
From: "Björn Lagerström" <rick_s_chris@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: inwo-list@lists.io.com
To: inwo-list@lists.io.com
Marc, please be serious. I acctually have one of these Zuvieldienstlier (or however you spell it, don't have the cards on me) and you might also like to speak to Mr. Birger Krämer who owns the whole German-set.
So if it was meant as a joke, please stop writing nonsense. And if it
wasn't. Learn your INWO-knowledge.
/Bjorne
Subject: Re: [INWO] Food and slack. Where to find it!?
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:06:54 -0800 (PST)
From: "Steven G." <steveg99@excite.com>
Reply-To: inwo-list@lists.io.com
To: inwo-list@lists.io.com
Marc wrote:
> German cards? Heh. You've been had, Andreas. There never
> was a German edition -- that was a long running joke on the
> INWO and INWO-Cards lists a few years ago, that caught up a
> bunch of newbies clamoring to buy the cards and getting
> really angry at folks for making stuff up. It really amazes
> me at how long that joke has lasted.
Yes, tell me about it. I mean, I became pretty dubious about the German cards as soon as I saw how incredibly unbalanced most of those unique Germans that I read about are. Like that group "Autonome" or whatever that gives a +10 on any attempt to destroy a Government group. That's obviously too grossly overpowered to be a real card. The boys at SJ Games would never drop the ball by allowing such a BS card into tournaments. Then there's that group that has the same ability as the Gay Activists, except that it lasts until your next turn. Again, the good folks at SJG would obviously never allow a card that is not only ridiculously powerful, but makes another card (the Gay Activists) patently inferior. And how about that card that can subtract 3 Power from a Conservative group or add 3 to a Liberal grouP? Oh yeah, that's a well-thought, evenly balanced special ability.
And then there are those cards that don't even have any imagination put into them: Tennis-Star, Supertrainer, Talkmaster AND Showmaster (redundant much there?).
Steven G.
sdg@avana.net
Subject: Putting This to Death (was Re: [INWO] Food and slack. Where
to find it!?)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 18:39:46 -0600 (CST)
From: Jared Goodwin <jgoodwin@mail.win.org>
Reply-To: inwo-list@lists.io.com
To: inwo-list@lists.io.com
On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, Steven G. wrote:
> Marc wrote:
> > German cards? Heh. You've been had, Andreas. There never
> > was a German edition -- that was a long running joke on the
> > INWO and INWO-Cards lists a few years ago, that caught up a
> > bunch of newbies clamoring to buy the cards and getting
> > really angry at folks for making stuff up. It really amazes
> > me at how long that joke has lasted.
>
> Yes, tell me about it. I mean, I became pretty dubious about the German
> cards as soon as I saw how incredibly unbalanced most of those unique
> Germans that I read about are. Like that group "Autonome" or whatever that
> gives a +10 on any attempt to destroy a Government group. That's obviously
Funny, I have that card. Any, yesy, it does that.
> too grossly overpowered to be a real card. The boys at SJ Games would never
> drop the ball by allowing such a BS card into tournaments. Then there's that
It doesn't make the Gay Activists useless. You can use both, and has a lower resistance. By that logic, the Pentagon is automatically more useful than the Mossad.
> group that has the same ability as the Gay Activists, except that it lasts
> until your next turn. Again, the good folks at SJG would obviously never
> allow a card that is not only ridiculously powerful, but makes another card
> (the Gay Activists) patently inferior. And how about that card that can
> subtract 3 Power from a Conservative group or add 3 to a Liberal grouP? Oh
> yeah, that's a well-thought, evenly balanced special ability.
I can think of something more useful. _3_GLOBAL_POWER_!
> And then there are those cards that don't even have any imagination put into
> them: Tennis-Star, Supertrainer, Talkmaster AND Showmaster (redundant much
> there?).
Talkmaster and Showmaster are the difference between Firing Line and Jerry Springer.
Ooookay. Newbies are getting confused, and people are getting mad.
The basic set obviously exists.
Assassins exists, and had ultra-rares. It is the only set with them.
SubGenius exists.
Neue Weltordnung, the German edition, exists.
BFD is in development.
A Polish edition exists, but is simply a reprint of the American Basic set.
Food and Slack is fake. "Give me slack, or give me food," neh?
There are _no_ other foreign editions of INWO.
Of course, I am telling the truth . . . aren't I?
Jared Goodwin - jgoodwin@mail.win.org
Subject: Re: Putting This to Death (was Re: [INWO] Food and slack. Where to find it!?)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 02:09:07 +0100
From: "Birger Krämer" <birger.kraemer@gmx.de>
Reply-To: inwo-list@lists.io.com
To: <inwo-list@lists.io.com>
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Jared Goodwin <jgoodwin@mail.win.org>
And>Of course, I am telling the truth........aren't I?
Hey, is this the Truth about Food and Slack? Seems so.
And the Autonome's + 10 is justified! They aren't jokin'!
Peace, Birger
Honestly supporting those who tell the Truth. Fnord.
Subject: Re: Putting This to Death (was Re: [INWO] Food and slack. Where to find it!?)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 21:38:39 -0800 (PST)
From: "Steven G." <steveg99@excite.com>
Reply-To: inwo-list@lists.io.com
To: inwo-list@lists.io.com
Jared wrote:
> It doesn't make the Gay Activists useless. You can use both, and has a
> lower resistance. By that logic, the Pentagon is automatically more useful
> than the Mossad.
Well, I didn't say that the group, Stammtischpolitiker, made the Gay Activists useless. I said that their special ability made the Gay Activists' ability inferior. There is a difference. If Stammtischpolitiker's ability was more effective than the GA's in some respects but less effective in others (e.g. only affecting certaing alignments, requiring Illuminati action or Plot discards, etc.) then it would be all well and good. That's balanced.
But to simply take an American group's special ability, clone it, pump it full of steroids, and then make it legal to play in American games is, IMO, a poor exercise in judgment. As for your remark about the Mossad and the Pentagon, since they don't have even remotely similar abilities, I'm not sure what you're basing the comparison on.
> > And how about that card that can
> > subtract 3 Power from a Conservative group or add 3 to a Liberal grouP? Oh
> > yeah, that's a well-thought, evenly balanced special ability.
>
> I can think of something more useful. _3_GLOBAL_POWER_!
Once again, never did I use the word "useful". I said the ability wasn't well-thought-out or balanced. A Goal card that says "Snap your fingers twice and you win!" is very useful, but it is ill-conceived and unbalanced. Now, explaining why Zuvieldienstleistende's special ability is a bit excessive is like explainging jazz music; if I have to explain it to you, then you're not going to get it.
> > And then there are those cards that don't even have any imagination put into
> > them: Tennis-Star, Supertrainer, Talkmaster AND Showmaster (redundant much
> > there?).
>
> Talkmaster and Showmaster are the difference between Firing Line and Jerry
> Springer.
At this point, I was really just trying to mess with people's minds. ;)
> Ooookay. Newbies are getting confused, and people are getting mad.
>
> The basic set obviously exists.
> Assassins exists, and had ultra-rares. It is the only set with them.
> SubGenius exists.
> Neue Weltordnung, the German edition, exists.
> BFD is in development.
> A Polish edition exists, but is simply a reprint of the American Basic
> set.
> Food and Slack is fake. "Give me slack, or give me food," neh?
> There are _no_ other foreign editions of INWO.
>
> Of course, I am telling the truth . . . aren't I?
I smell an agent of disinformation! What about the new French version of Illuminati that I read about on SJ Games website a month or two ago, hmmmmm?
I've heard that the Mimes have the same ability as Zuvieldienstleistende, but for Straight and Weird groups instead. Word has it that the King of Comedy is the French INWO version of Elvis, while the Comedy Lovers are the equivalent of the Church of Elvis. I've also heard that there's a "No Snails!" disaster, but I'm skeptical about that one to say the least . . .
Steven G.
sdg@avana.net
Subject: [INWO] Re: Putting This to Death
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 01:48:07 -0800
From: Pôl Jackson <pjack@efn.org>
Reply-To: inwo-list@lists.io.com
To: inwo-list@lists.io.com
Jared Goodwin wrote:
> Food and Slack is fake. "Give me slack, or give me food," neh?
> There are _no_ other foreign editions of INWO.
You're right, Jared. Enough with the misinformation and lies. It's time
for the truth at last.
The game called INWO doesn't actually exist. Those little pieces of cardboard we slavishly pass around are actually subliminal propaganda for the Arimaspian Democratic Republic. The hypnotic subtext opens our minds and prepares us for alchemical transformation by the Saurian overlords, watchfully circling the Earth in their delta-wave powered spacecraft.
"Jared Goodwin" doesn't exist, either. He's actually an artificial intelligence residing on several hundred mainframes in Sysco's "Experimental Products" lab in San Francisco. (Sorry to break the news to you, Jared.) I also do not exist. I'm actually a swarm of cats (235, to be precise) owned by one Virginia Wilson of Insmouth, who have spontaneously developed a hive mind along with rudimentary typing skills.
But there's no need to panic. be assured, gentle reader, that YOU actually exist. You're certainly not a mandroid replica of your former self, programmed to feel "normal" until the invasion of the Atlanteans from sixth-dimensional space. Don't be alarmed by the fact that you can no longer recall large portions of your childhood, or by the fact that you can find nothing wrong with being able to see the color "red". These are all normal, healthy things. Just stay well away from salt water for a while.
I'm relieved to finally get these things out in the open. I can't believe we've been telling less than the absolute truth on an ILLUMINATI mailing list. The Secret Masters would be ashamed.
Pjack
("On the Internet, nobody knows you're a swarm of cats.")
Subject: Re: [INWO] Re: Putting This to Death
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:09:28 -0500
From: "Marc Sherman" <msherman@projectile.dyndns.org>
Reply-To: inwo-list@lists.io.com
To: <inwo-list@lists.io.com>
From: "Pôl Jackson" <pjack@efn.org>
> "Jared Goodwin" doesn't exist, either. He's actually an artificial
> intelligence residing on several hundred mainframes in Sysco's
> "Experimental Products" lab in San Francisco. (Sorry to break the news
> to you, Jared.) I also do not exist. I'm actually a swarm of cats (235,
> to be precise) owned by one Virginia Wilson of Insmouth, who have
> spontaneously developed a hive mind along with rudimentary typing
> skills.
Don't be so hard on yourself, Pol. Your typing is better than rudimentary, especially for a swarm of cats. You got all the capitals in the right place and everything, which must be hard for your 940 cute little paws.
- Marc
Subject: Re: Putting This to Death (was Re: [INWO] Food and slack.
Where to find it!?)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:58:38 -0600 (CST)
From: Jared Goodwin <jgoodwin@mail.win.org>
Reply-To: inwo-list@lists.io.com
To: inwo-list@lists.io.com
On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, Steven G. wrote:
> > > And then there are those cards that don't even have any imagination put into
> > > them: Tennis-Star, Supertrainer, Talkmaster AND Showmaster (redundant much
> > > there?).
> >
> > Talkmaster and Showmaster are the difference between Firing Line and Jerry
> > Springer.
>
> At this point, I was really just trying to mess with people's minds. ;)
>
<snip my list>
>
> I smell an agent of disinformation! What about the new French version of
> Illuminati that I read about on SJ Games website a month or two ago, hmmmmm?
> I've heard that the Mimes have the same ability as Zuvieldienstleistende,
> but for Straight and Weird groups instead. Word has it that the King of
> Comedy is the French INWO version of Elvis, while the Comedy Lovers are the
> equivalent of the Church of Elvis. I've also heard that there's a "No
> Snails!" disaster, but I'm skeptical about that one to say the least . . .
I don't know what you're talking about, except that a French version of Deluxe Illuminati (_NOT_ INWO) just came out.
Jared Goodwin - jgoodwin@mail.win.org
Subject: RE: [INWO] Re: Putting This to Death
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:01:22 -0800
From: "Scott Schultz" <scott@ceweekly.com>
Reply-To: inwo-list@lists.io.com
To: <inwo-list@lists.io.com
>Yes, but are you an existing swarm of Cats???
"He"'s probably a swarm of Schroedinger's Cats.
Scott Schultz
scott@ceweekly.com
Subject: Re: [INWO] Re: Putting This to Death
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:01:36 -0600 (CST)
From: Jared Goodwin <jgoodwin@mail.win.org>
Reply-To: inwo-list@lists.io.com
To: inwo-list@lists.io.com
On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, [iso-8859-1] Pôl Jackson wrote:
> Jared Goodwin wrote:
> >
> > Food and Slack is fake. "Give me slack, or give me food," neh?
> > There are _no_ other foreign editions of INWO.
>
> You're right, Jared. Enough with the misinformation and lies. It's time
> for the truth at last.
>
> The game called INWO doesn't actually exist. Those little pieces of
> cardboard we slavishly pass around are actually subliminal propaganda
> for the Arimaspian Democratic Republic. The hypnotic subtext opens our
> minds and prepares us for alchemical transformation by the Saurian
> overlords, watchfully circling the Earth in their delta-wave powered
> spacecraft.
You idiot! This should have been posted to fnord-l! What have you done?!?
> "Jared Goodwin" doesn't exist, either. He's actually an artificial
> intelligence residing on several hundred mainframes in Sysco's
> "Experimental Products" lab in San Francisco. (Sorry to break the news
> to you, Jared.) I also do not exist. I'm actually a swarm of cats (235,
> to be precise) owned by one Virginia Wilson of Insmouth, who have
> spontaneously developed a hive mind along with rudimentary typing
> skills.
You're partially correct. I'm a personality construct on that same computer, based on a young J. Edgar Hoover.
> But there's no need to panic. be assured, gentle reader, that YOU
> actually exist. You're certainly not a mandroid replica of your former
> self, programmed to feel "normal" until the invasion of the Atlanteans
> from sixth-dimensional space. Don't be alarmed by the fact that you can
> no longer recall large portions of your childhood, or by the fact that
> you can find nothing wrong with being able to see the color "red". These
> are all normal, healthy things. Just stay well away from salt water for
> a while.
Don't believe a word he says, except for those that are true!
> I'm relieved to finally get these things out in the open. I can't
> believe we've been telling less than the absolute truth on an ILLUMINATI
> mailing list. The Secret Masters would be ashamed.
Or terribly terribly amused. But how do we know YOU'RE not a Secret Master?
Jared Goodwin - jgoodwin@mail.win.org
