From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri Oct 8 04:14:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA11324 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 04:14:12 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id EAA29283 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 04:13:04 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 04:13:04 -0500 Message-Id: <199910080913.EAA29283@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1357 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, October 8 1999 Volume 01 : Number 1357 In this digest: IN> Spirits and Forces (Re: APG question (forces/damage)) Re: IN> servants of dead guys Re: IN> servants of dead guys Re: IN> Questions about the Marketplace. Re: IN> IN Fiction Re: IN> Timeline Re: IN> Sticky situation IN> Timeline IN> URIEL -- Archangel of Purity Re: IN> Another slew of questions IN> Message From Juliana IN> Kobal, Demon Prince of Mockery Re: IN> Spirits and Forces (Re: APG question (forces/damage)) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:19:33 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Spirits and Forces (Re: APG question (forces/damage)) At 11:29 PM -0700 10/4/99, Perry Lloyd wrote: >>This also crops up a bit in the stuff on celestial >>spirits, who, if I recall right, can't get a vessel without having Corp. >>Forces. > >One thing that's rubbed me the wrong way (mew -> hiss) is that Ethereal and >Celestial spirts would even have Corporeal forces... > >Why would 17 Electronica Turbine 42 from LServitorum even *have* Corp >Forces? Game Mechanicsy answers forthcoming... So it can go to Earth someday. Something that PCs should shudder to contemplate. >Do Corp forces do ANYTHING for you in the Marches?? Something else to lose in celestial combat... >Why would a native of the Marches develop them? To go to Earth, where all the _real_ Essence is. >(I do notice that The Surgeon (Nightmare Fragment) has not Corp Forces, but >then why does Elder Thunder (Primal Spirit)? So he can go to Earth. >I do notice that the Demonlings do not have Corp. (many lack Ethe as well) >forces either. They're demonlings, not even imps or gremlins! O:> >Another question, what good are Corp forces to a native of the Celestial >plane, or to anyone *on* the Celestial plane? It feels like the Celestial >plane is lesser than Earth because only two-thirds of your being is used >there. (Ethe forces are used there, I believe.) Anything involving Total Forces, and various other arguements which have been brought up here and which I won't try to summarize. O:> - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:19:31 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> servants of dead guys At 2:37 PM +0100 10/5/99, Liam Astley wrote: >From: Elizabeth McCoy >> At 9:13 PM +0100 10/3/99, Liam Astley wrote: >> >another question - when a superior dies, does its followers automatically >> >lose all their choir and servitor attunements? >> >> This is in the GMG, if you haven't already been told... O:> Short >> answer: no, they don't lose their Choir and Servitor Attunements unless >> the _WORD_ itself is eradicated somehow, not just the current holder. >> (Lesser Words may well fade enough to cause Servitor Attunements to >> fail.) > >would this include falling? could there still be servitors of light >wandering around? There's a plot seed in the Liber Castellorum involving a Malakite. Seneschal. Of Light. He's a bit pathetic. >actually, it just occured to me that the H&H book mentions an old servitor >of Luci who still hangs around his cathedral. would she still have his >attunements? Possible. But she's serving Yves now, so they may have been eradicated. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:19:30 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> servants of dead guys At 1:37 PM -0400 10/5/99, Whistling in the Dark wrote: >Here's a question, broader than Lucifer. > >Say your Superior is destroyed or Falls, but you remain a Servitor. >You still have your attunements. > >Can you still use your rites? Are they tied to the Word or the Archangel? The Superior. Your Rites are pfft. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:19:34 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Questions about the Marketplace. At 11:00 PM -0700 10/4/99, John Smith wrote: >Hi, all. List newbie here. :) > >In the IN game I'm playing in, our motley choir of angels realized we didn't >have sufficient Resources to finish our mission. We needed a Talisman of >Computer Operation, and maybe an Ethereal weapon or two. > >We decided to solve the problem by hitting the Marketplace in Heaven. After >all, the place was supposed to have _everything_, and we didn't want to >pester our Superiors if at all possible. > >We ran into a couple of problems, though: >1) How much do things cost? >Resources probably buy other Resources pretty evenly. (A level 2 Vessel for >a Level 3 Talisman, etc.) >But what if you want to pay in Essence, or favors? Favors... Well, if you want to look at FotM, you can adapt the Geas-levels table into character points and Essence... Essence -- see above, and/or figure, hm... 3 character points per Rite, which is 1 Essence... Though once Essence _was_ character points in an earlier draft of IN that I came across once... >2) How hard is it to find any specific item? >Does it take hours? Minutes? Days? Should we just send an Ofanite? I'd roll a reaction roll on the dice -- on a good reaction, it's something like 10-CD minutes. On a bad reaction, it's in hours or days, depending on how bad the reaction is. O:> (The Universe likes/doesn't like you.) Or you could adapt the main book's stuff about finding stuff in Yves' Library, p. 139. O:> - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:03:04 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> IN Fiction At 12:44 PM -0700 10/5/99, EDG wrote: >At 12:57 PM 10/5/99 -0500, you wrote: > >>Unfortuanattly a voice in the back of my mind says that the lisence from = >>Croc prohibits this stuff, but surely that's just Blasphertic influece, = >>from somewhere. > >Sadly, this is indeed the case - at least, as far as I've been told. It's not so much as the license _prohibits_ IN fiction, as that the license does not _cover_ IN fiction. Basically, the rights to produce IN fiction are not in the existing license. A new license would have to be acquired, to do IN fiction. (The old one doesn't have to be rewritten -- a separate license could be crafted for only IN fiction.) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 16:50:10 -0500 From: "Amo Nympham" Subject: Re: IN> Timeline yes the GMG does have a timeline. here's where my Pyramid subscription comes in handy (if you didn't notice by now, I believe a sub to Pyramid to be one of the best things to get..all these articles, the message boards and the playtesting. worth the investment any way you look at it). I wouldn't recommend Revelations too much unless you're a completist, most of the Rules have been re-written and fixed for books such as the Corporeal Player's Guide. the adventures aren't really that good, but I do like the background info and the minor Superiors. - - Dennis H, Groome V "Amo Nympham" ICQ: 11430261 "I think I woke up screaming 'cause I had a dream that you still loved me" -Stabbing Westward, "ACF" - -----Original Message----- From: erisraven@crosswinds.net To: In Nomine Date: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 8:49 AM Subject: IN> Timeline >I'm trying to figure out what should be my next logical purchase. The thing I think I need >most is a timeline of events. Does the Gamemaster's Guide include a timeline? I'm sad >and broke until after the turn of the year, so I have to be careful and purchase the ones I >need the most. > >I'm fighting the urge to buy the Revelations series first: I'm deathly curious how The >Final Trumpet would mesh with the WoD game I'm running. I've been building my >campaign world to Apocalypse/Gehenna/TEOTWAWKI for the last 5 years. I hope my >story holds up to the light of day; my players are frothing by this point. >The excerpt on the web seems to fit well. I'll have to read them to be sure. > >Eris >Corax of Chaos > > > >Download NeoPlanet at http://www.neoplanet.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:02:47 EDT From: MarkDEddy@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Sticky situation In a message dated 10/6/99 9:52:02 AM, thealien@dangerzone.org writes: > >On Tue, 5 Oct 1999, Neel Krishnaswami wrote: >> I always ran it so that angels of Stone considered an attack on anyone >> within their circle as an attack on themselves, to play up the community >> building and mutual defense angle. > > Okay, clearly not canon, etc etc etc. But I really like this >idea. I would appreciate hearing from anyone who thinks is especially >good or bad. > >Sean > > I, too, am in favor of this interpretation of the Dissonance restrictions on servitors of Stone. It doesn't make sense for someone so 'us-vs.-them' to keep his servitors from defending their own. Not to mention that I play (when I get the chance) a Cherub of Stone. It would really suck to be unable to do anything about protecting my attuned if the attacker is clever enough to leave me alone. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:16:06 -0400 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Timeline >>>I'm trying to figure out what should be my next logical purchase. The thing I think I need most is a timeline of events. Does the Gamemaster's Guide include a timeline?<<< Yes. :) - -David (GMG author) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:13:45 -0400 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> URIEL -- Archangel of Purity >>>That's not quite strong enough. It's Djinn-like behavior to use an attunement to lead yourself and/or others to your attuned with the knowledge they will do harm to your target. A cherub cares about its attuned and won't seek to harm it, even if it is impure. If a cherub is seeking its attuned in order to do it harm, then I'd give the cherub dissonance, even if he broke the attunement just prior to landing an actual physical blow.<<< I thought of that afterwards. Probably they do need an explicit statement that they don't take dissonance for using their resonance in this manner. (And thus Cherubim of Purity would have been regarded as extremely callous by the rest of their Choir.) - -David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 06:55:24 +0100 (BST) From: Warsinger Subject: Re: IN> Another slew of questions On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >Hmm my Ofanim of Eli tried the sex one and ended up finding out her would > >be partner was a Calabim of Death who was using the excuse of getting > >alone with her in an attempt to kill her. > > This is why you should only do it with someone you really _care_ about, > and not some demon off the street... There was slightly more to the situation that otherwise appears in the short desc - but I assumed most folk aren't really interested in precise campaign details - but my char had actually been trying help someone so that they would go for more meaningful sex in future rather than paying for it - I had a plan basically - but the char unfortunately also had enough hp to stand out to that d**n Calabim. (Heh - later soul-killed the swine) But in general yes the point stands - that Rite is awfully easy to make appear to be a Lust Rite - the problem lies in the fact that Celestials shouldn't really have er fruitful vessels so procreational sex is impossible anyway. Warsinger Cute and fluffy....(with claws) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 00:05:12 -1200 From: big69@crosswinds.net Subject: IN> Message From Juliana - ------=_NextPart_000_3648_00000BA5.00006BD7 Content-Type: text/html; IS YOUR J.O.B TAKING YOU
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 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:33:54 +0100 (BST) From: Steve Jessop Subject: IN> Kobal, Demon Prince of Mockery My take on Kobal - an excerpt from the full write-up, at http://users.ox.ac.uk/~linc0471/InNomine/hell/supes-kobal.html (Kobal is talking to Lucifer) "I have seen the face of God, and I know that he can destroy us all at any time he may choose. I know that he prolongs this glorious War, this brave Rebellion, this petty, puling squabble, only because it gives Him pleasure. But I also know that it amuses Him not to share this grand, cosmic, ineffable prank with his own angels. I know that you will never repeat what I am saying to your demons, because if they knew the truth they would kill themselves now. I even know that you do not believe me, because you think that your new-found design, to pollute what you could not capture, has some tiny glimmer of a chance of success. I know you are wrong, and that anything we acheive is for nothing, because it will be undone. Everything the angels work for is less than a drop in the ocean of Divine Power that watches this world and moulds it like clay. You are nothing, and they are nothing, but I am more than that. I have the pleasure of watching you and the angels strive, and struggle, and fight, and weep, and bleed, and win, and lose, and hope, and despair, and try your puny, futile, best to carve out some tiny significance for yourself in an infinity of pure, untouchable God. I am that pleasure, because that is the only thing God has that we could ever hope to take for ourselves. I am Mockery." Steve. - ------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 02:10:33 PDT From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> Spirits and Forces (Re: APG question (forces/damage)) Cool. You've made sense. Thanks! - -Perry Oh, my copy of INS/MV arrived. Very, very cool stuff. :) Elizabeth Spake: >At 11:29 PM -0700 10/4/99, Perry Lloyd wrote: > >>This also crops up a bit in the stuff on celestial > >>spirits, who, if I recall right, can't get a vessel without having Corp. > >>Forces. > > > >One thing that's rubbed me the wrong way (mew -> hiss) is that Ethereal >and > >Celestial spirts would even have Corporeal forces... > > > >Why would 17 Electronica Turbine 42 from LServitorum even *have* Corp > >Forces? > >Game Mechanicsy answers forthcoming... > >So it can go to Earth someday. Something that PCs should shudder to >contemplate. > > >Do Corp forces do ANYTHING for you in the Marches?? > >Something else to lose in celestial combat... > > >Why would a native of the Marches develop them? > >To go to Earth, where all the _real_ Essence is. > > >(I do notice that The Surgeon (Nightmare Fragment) has not Corp Forces, >but > >then why does Elder Thunder (Primal Spirit)? > >So he can go to Earth. > > >I do notice that the Demonlings do not have Corp. (many lack Ethe as >well) > >forces either. > >They're demonlings, not even imps or gremlins! O:> > > >Another question, what good are Corp forces to a native of the Celestial > >plane, or to anyone *on* the Celestial plane? It feels like the >Celestial > >plane is lesser than Earth because only two-thirds of your being is used > >there. (Ethe forces are used there, I believe.) > >Anything involving Total Forces, and various other arguements which have >been brought up here and which I won't try to summarize. O:> > > >--emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor >GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1357 ******************************** The material here is (C) 1999 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.